GM Game: LiliS

[idolpro]

[ The door shuts behind you, leaving you in a copy of this room. Upon one of the fancy tables is your card for the round, along with slots for each unit for you to go slide in your choices.

You can come and go as you will, but once you have left the room, you cannot speak of anything that transpires within: not your choices, not your discussion, not your alliances.

Do your best, idol-tachi. ]

Comments

Re: DISCUSSION

[letgrow]

If we're worried about people piling on Fin but want to play 3....we could give them the 2?

Re: DISCUSSION

[clearwingfastdragon]

Would you rather play 2 or 3?

Re: DISCUSSION

[letgrow]

Maybe I'm a bad person for saying this, but....3. We've played very kindly throughout this whole game. We've never played a higher card then what we felt was right. And we've been very sympathetic to all the teams in our decision making.

Even in this last round....playing just two 4's and a 2........isn't it fine if LiliS gets a turn to live?

1/2

[clearwingfastdragon]

Wanting to live is normal, not bad.

2/2

[clearwingfastdragon]

[He said that bit oddly firmly, but it's gone as he continues.]

Okay, so! 2 to future is now, 4 to Taisho Roman Revolution, 4 to BARiTONES?

[letgrow]

That's what I'd like. Are all of you all right with that?

[clearwingfastdragon]

I am!

And it's what I'd like, too, so don't go acting as if it was all yours even if it turns out bad, 'kay?

[letgrow]

....mm, thank you.

[worthathousand]

I'd still rather not hit BARiTONES, if it can be avoided.
We don't have a formal arrangement, but... I know Kohime generally discourages them from attacking us, and I think that will continue as long as I can still say the same to her.

[letgrow]

Who would you suggest in Baritones place then?

[worthathousand]

Can you remind me who we've struck so far? Those units we hit before I returned.

In general, I would suggest ZRAEL instead. While they are not higher in points than us, we unfortunately know from experience that it is important that a sufficient number of teams have lower scores than we do, even if we think we should be safe.

...And besides, I am not above suggesting that they feel the community's sanction at a time like this, if it will pressure them to hold their unitmates more strictly accountable.

[letgrow]

In the last round we struck HSS, SensitIV and 10IV. HSS and SensitIV were at 41 and 39. 10IV has shown to be willing to play high cards and were at 32. We only played low cards on them and non violent ones.

In this round we cannot hit them. We cannot hit Bad End because they are our alliance. The team as a whole does not wish to hit any team with 25 or less points. I do not wish to hit Alcheme. I do not wish to make you hit Avante. And I refuse to hit Wild City when John does not remember them. If he remembered them and was able to fully consent, that would be different.

That only leaves Taisho, Future and Baritones.

[letgrow]

So you would punish an entire team for the actions of an individual? If LiliS were to get someone unmanageable, you would expect the entire community to strike our whole team too to punish the individuals actions and teach us a lesson?

[worthathousand]

In short, yes. [ her tone is gentle, but her expression firm ]

If one of our own were to commit an atrocity, we would be accountable for that—and it would be our responsibility to ensure that it never happened again.
That kind of accountability isn't easy, but I believe in it quite deeply.

[ a beat ] And besides, none of what we're looking at inflicting is harsh. Between BARiTONES and ZRAEL, I know BARiTONES is much more sensitive to the general... principle of getting hit at all, if that makes sense.

[letgrow]

[Backing away from Amaranth]

All you do by punishing the whole team is encourage them not to trust the rest of the community; that they can only trust each other. By punishing ALL of Zrael, you are just ensuring they'll become more insular, not more likely to want to help make this a peaceful welcoming place. They'll just wind up feeling unfairly judged, outcast, and that they are being held to an impossible standard by others.

[theyregooddogs]

[not sliding between them but stepping up, closer to camellia than amaranth]

That's enough. You both made your arguments, but she's been carrying us through this. Hasn't led us wrong yet, so I say we stick with what she decided on.

[letgrow]

[Glancing up at him]

[theyregooddogs]

[not looking at her, just stuck on Amaranth, but there's a cringe that says he can feel the look]

[letgrow]

[Stares at her shoes]

[worthathousand]

(( whoops, sorry about the slight timeline incongruity ))

I agree that Camellia has earned the final judgment here, and I support her in that.

[ Her lips are parted as if to say something more—an implicit "but." Instead, she pauses, considering John with an interested look, before sighing lightly and saying her final piece to Camellia. ]

[theyregooddogs]

So, stop talking already. She heard you, so listen to her.

[worthathousand]

I am— [ strained ] trying.

[ on both fronts!! yet he can doubtless see how every time an explanation backfires, she lets herself get pulled back in. ]

[worthathousand]

Camellia. [ voice soft as she can make it, now ]

It isn't an impossible standard. But I don't mean to fault your compassion for them, and I know you've been working hard this whole game.
Maybe a better way to put this is that I know that feeling is something that BARiTONES has been experiencing for a long time.

And, between the two units, if we're worried about needing to block an attack, I think there's a reasonably good chance ZRAEL would target us, while I am confident that BARiTONES will not.

[letgrow]

This isn't even about choosing between Bit and Zrael anymore.

To willingly hurt an entire unit to punish them for the actions of an individual.... When there are people on that unit who are innocent of that persons crimes and may not have even condoned them... Are you really any better?

[worthathousand]

[ She looks briefly hurt, but quickly schools her expression into something more even. ]

There are reasons for my principles. And I endeavor to hold myself to a high standard in turn. I have a friend on ZRAEL, in fact. I do not want her to be hurt, if it can be avoided. None of these things do I say lightly, or without grave consideration of the consequences.

But please do not take any of this to be so unbending, or so inconsiderate of the rest of you, that I will not accede to what you would prefer to do.