idolpro | WILD CITY

[ he's checking out the robot ]

I suppose it should be looking outside.

What makes you say that?

Because it has no idea nor concept of how to be a human. Becoming a human is what it's trying to achieve, correct? Then if it were to look inside, it would be left right at the same point where it started.

But if it were to look outside, live among humans and imitate them, perhaps, then it would learn more about humanity.

That's a fair argument, assuming the humans are ones worth imitating...

That is assuming "worthiness" is a mark of humanity. I believe there are many aspects to it.

In any case, this is my reasoning. I do not believe it will be beneficial for it to look inside for an answer when it has no starting point, however ... it seems everyone else thinks otherwise.

Edited 2022-06-25 18:17 (UTC)

I guess the question then is: what makes you think it doesn't have an internal starting point?

Because he's asking for help on how to become a human. If he did, then he would know already.

Sometimes figuring that stuff out takes a bit, and when you aren't sure it's easy to want to trust.

Which is all the more reason to try to look for outside help.

Oh? And why's that.

It currently has no concepts of what a human is. As such, it would be more beneficial for it to find examples to learn from outside.

You think mimicry is going to help it become human?

Yes. Is it truly so hard to picture?

No. As someone who plays pretend regularly I can tell you from experience it only gets you so far.

Would you say a baby is able to learn simply on its own, without any outside input?

I never said 'no' outside influence. But also babies have instincts. All creatures do and they don't need the environment to tell them to eat, hunt, and survive. That sort of stuff is hardwired into them. You throw somebody into a pit and they'll do whatever it takes to get out... die trying, if need be.

[ he shakes his head ]

Instinct is no different than what animals have. But if we are talking humanity, then it is something that has to be taught.

I think that's half true. Some things are just a part of a person, and I do think humanity is one of them... it's why a person can lose their humanity in the first place. But the concepts of humanity can't certainly be built upon from outside sources, since there is a lot to it.

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I think that'd give them a complex.

Why would it? Learning from others is perfectly reasonable.

Learning from others is how one learns to act and how to function in society.

But when it comes to having a heart, that's on the inside.

And I've met a lot of people who don't think they're a person even though they're grant at functioning in a society because they are terrified of any self reflection.

Edited 2022-06-25 18:24 (UTC)

I disagree.

If we take this as only the first step in this being's evolution, then by stating it must find its heart on the inside, we are assuming it could never possibly find one later on. I disagree with that, and believe outside influence is what would push it to find one.

This is ... a complicated subject. But I believe it's a journey.

Its definitely a process, but the fact it already has a want to be human proves there is already something inside it that desires. Which means it has a heart.

People can get a complex about how they don't measure up to people even when they're a natural born human. Starting from that point without even acknowledging what's inside could just start them at a disadvantage.

Oh, I'm not as naturally kind as this person, I can't be real. Oh, I can't think of things with compassion in mind, I always think the logical thing, that can't be a person!

That sorta thing. Comparing yourself to others first and foremost just makes you miserable.

[ he shakes his head ]

I don't think that's necessarily the case. But it is irrelevant in the context of this game.

Have you seen otherwise?